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What's the Big Deal? It's only our Freedom

Go to the *Blog: Primary source: Sen. Rockefeller's 2003 letter on Domestic Spying.


Feel like debating these? Lets have a real talk about freedom and fighting for what’s right. No bullshit, for real…our futures are at stake here; we can’t just sit back and let this stuff go on or we wind up like old Communist USSR, Mussolini’s Italy, or Hitler’s Germany. Ever hear about them? If we don’t learn from history, it repeats itself.



The following are comments made on the Democrat Party Website


Whoa Truthmonger, posting a dozen times, all of them half witted don't prove a thing. What law was broken, you ask???
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 4 - Search and seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That part of the US Constitution was broken. There is a law, FISA, that allows the President to order speedy surveillance; The court can issue the warrants after the wire tapping, but someone must still go under oath, and Bush didn't want to abide by the US Constitution and have FBI agents under oath. The question is why didn't the administration want to have our FBI agents seeking warrants?

Because either Bush hates our Constitution, or in the testimony to the court other illegal acts would be uncovered.

Posted by JohnNei on December 20, 2005 at 12:42 AM

Okay, let me get recent events straight:

In 2003, at a time of great national crisis and wide scale justified fear, President Bush got us into a war based upon his statements that Saddam had WMDs and close ties to al Quaeda -- which would be, in combination, a wholly unacceptable situation, particularly after 9/11. These were the primary justifications for the invasion of Iraq. Those accusations turned out to be totally bogus, which even Bush now finally admits. In other words, Bush played us for suckers, using lies to play upon our fears and get the war he wanted. Thousands of our soldiers, and tens of thousands of Iraqis have died due to Bush's lies.

(Meantime, the administration has been in the awkward position of both denying the torture of terrorist suspects, and at the same time opposing Senator McCain's successful bill making such torture illegal.)

Now this same Bush who told us those whoppers has admitted to authorizing years of spying by the NSA upon American citizens within our own borders, without judicial warrant and without legislative approval. He claims it is legal, and vows he'll keep on doing it, so there.

Ominously, Bush blames the messenger, the New York Times, for letting the cat out of the bag about how he has been ravishing our Constitution. He calls Democrats and others in the Senate "defeatists" for calling for timetables for withdrawal from Iraq. Now the Senate has stopped the renewal of the so-called Patriot Act in light of these newly revealed spying abuses, infuriating Bush further.

Bush has gone too far this time, and must be stopped at once. Our Constitution cannot be casually tossed aside by Presidential edict. Make no mistake: If this stands, it signals the beginning of the end of the balance of powers in our government, the end of our citizens' rights of privacy, and ultimately the end of our democracy.

I never expected to have to say something that seems so outrageous, but Bush and his NeoCon backers have put our nation on the first step toward our nation being split into something like Fascism and Resistance factions. Only if action is taken immediately, can this trend toward dictatorship and inevitable rebellion be reversed.

Posted by Timesurfer on December 20, 2005 at 01:50 AM

Equating Bush with a Communist regime would really piss him off. There parallels are there, for sure, for sure. I get tired of them calling people with a sense of social responsibility "Commies". Any communist government you study has more parallels with the Bushies, than with any liberal or progressive ideas.Is he trying to copy the Chinese regime? Or maybe North Korea's "Dear Leader". (Get rid of the poor, let them exercise their right to starve to death.)As rabid anti-communists as the Republicans were during the Cold War, it would really get the far right's goat. (chuckle, chuckle, chuckle).I like it.
Posted by Butte on December 27, 2005 at 12:24 PM
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If they were all that smart, would they be Republicans?If your idea of patriotism is goose-stepping along with the party of greed and corruption and telling everyone not to ask questions, then you sure as hell aren't in the habit of thinking. You are supposed to be nice to the cognitively challenged. But you don't have to believe their crap.
Posted by Butte on December 29, 2005 at 05:17 PM
Lets recap Bush's reign
+ One stolen election.+ China knocks down our spy plane, Geo W apologizes.+ Wasn't defending the Homeland, 3000 Americans killed in worst security lapse in US history.+ Failed to react quickly enough, perpetrators still on the loose.+ Politicized National defense, ran ugliest reelection campaign ever.+ Rejected 500 years of international law, invaded Iraq illegally.+ Failed to listen to military experts, had no plans in place to secure Iraq. Led to chaos, and present insurgency.+ Osama Bin Laden is now forgotten, but I doubt he has forgotten us.+ Economy is in the crapper, median incomes are down over 5 years, market indexes are down over 5 years, and Americans are running out of home equity to keep refinancing debts.
Posted by JohnNei on December 29, 2005 at 06:34 PM
Truth Monger:
Bush is a corporate governing fascist who broke the law through three (3) types of FRAUD, in fact, to get appointed President. Now, Bush certainly could care less what laws he breaks.
Through control of both houses of Congress, it is Bush and his administration's intention to make legal all corporate corruption and all Bush and his administration's corruption of the law so all crooney corporate corruption as well as all of Bush's corruption will go unpunished. Bush and his croonies choose to treat corporate corruption like teen age juveniles; while holding to the strict letter of the law for the average Joe; so presenting his illegitimate fraudulent self as the true President of the United States; when, with the exception of fraud, Bush actually lost both elections. Don't you ever watch television? The story has been on television.
You will never hear the political truth in reference to the average person listening to the propaganda of the autocratic, Corporate Media Channels that represent the new Bush aristocracy. But the democratic 9400 channels on DISH Satellite seek to get the unvarnished truth to the average person. Thank God for DISH-TV, especially FSTV (FREE SPEECH Television) and LINK TV.
Posted by Martha on December 30, 2005 at 04:15 AM
These pretty much sum up all the arguments going on today. Now here’s another pile of shit that is starting to percolate with valid questions that need answering. It makes a lot of sense after the findings on the JFK murder, and the totally illegal Kent State shootings.
This is from Wimp.com

http://www.wimp.com/doll/ http://www.wimp.com/bushconspiracy/


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If you’ve taken the time to read these and visit the wimp site video, by this time you should be irate fighting mad. If you’re not there’s no hope for you, because you haven’t been paying attention.

Any predictions?

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